Z-Wave Node 7 is dead

dwdonnelly · December 29, 2022, 9:54pm

Newbe here. Just install HA version 2022.12.8. Install Z-WaveJS and Aeotec Gen 5 usb stick yesterday.
All was working fine. Then suddenly the one automation to turn on an office light stopped working. Tracked down the following log

Blockquote2022-12-29T21:35:13.230Z CNTRLR [Node 026] The node is alive.
2022-12-29T21:35:13.231Z CNTRLR [Node 026] The node is ready to be used
2022-12-29T21:35:13.232Z CNTRLR All nodes are ready to be used
2022-12-29T21:35:13.289Z CNTRLR « [Node 026] ping successful
2022-12-29T21:35:17.408Z CNTRLR [Node 007] The node did not respond after 1 attempts, it is presumed dead
2022-12-29T21:35:17.423Z CNTRLR [Node 007] ping failed: Failed to send the command after 1 attempts (Status No
Ack) (ZW0204)
2022-12-29T21:35:17.429Z CNTRLR [Node 007] Interview attempt (1/5) failed, node is dead.
Starting logging event forwarder at info level
Stopping logging event forwarder
Starting logging event forwarder at info level
Stopping logging event forwarder
2022-12-29T21:40:01.816Z CNTRLR » [Node 007] pinging the node…
2022-12-29T21:40:05.996Z CNTRLR [Node 007] The node did not respond after 1 attempts, it is presumed dead
2022-12-29T21:40:06.001Z CNTRLR [Node 007] ping failed: Failed to send the command after 1 attempts (Status No
Ack) (ZW0204)
2022-12-29T21:40:06.001Z CNTRLR [Node 007] Skipping heal because the node is not responding.
Starting logging event forwarder at info level
Stopping logging event forwarder

Question - did the Aeotec Gen 5 usb stick fail? (It is about two years old - but it has been in a box - first time I have used it.

I have restarted HA, and I have rebooted the Odroid N2+ I am running HA on. This did not fix the problem.

Your help is appreciated.

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tmjpugh · December 29, 2022, 10:49pm

No

Node 7 failed
If I had to guess that office light is node 7.

Try power cycle the zwave device for the office light

dwdonnelly · December 30, 2022, 9:55pm

@tmjpugh Funny thing happened on the way to the store…

After reading your reply and typing all the below - now for purely documentation purposes, the one motion automation started working. uh? Why?

Apparent solution: I removed Node 7. I had restarted Z-Wave JS, Zibee2MQTT, and rebooted the Odroid N2+.
Then it dawned on me - I did not restart the MQTT broker.
So I restarted the add-ons in the following sequence: Z-Wave JS, then MQTT broker, and then Zibee2MQTT.
I waited a bit…
Whamo! The automation started working.
General lesson learned, you have to restart all three to make sure they are sync’d up.
Problem solved? I think so.

TL;DR: I think Node 7 was from a previous attempt about 2 years ago. It appeared in my current Z-wave JS install the moment I installed the Z-wave JS add-on. Before anything was added.

The one motion sensor I have connected (is not Node 7 as I figured out) - it is a zigbee device. I have no idea what Node 7 is. The Aeotec Z-Wave Gen 5 stick is flashing (red, blue, yellow). When Node 7 “died” then the 1 automation for a motion sensor (using Zigbee2MQTT) to turn on one light (Z-Wave Node 24) stopped working. I can turn the light on/off from the HA dashboard. I verified the Zigbee2MQTT is seeing motion. But the light will not come on or go off via the one automation I set up using a blueprint (motion). The motion automation worked for two days. Then Node 7 “died” and the automation stopped working. Restarted Z-Wave JS, Zigbee2MQTT, and rebooted the Odroid N2+. I even disconnected the Aeotec Z-Wave Gen 5 stick and reinserted it. This did not fix anything.

That lead me to believe I could / should remove this “Node 7”. So removed it. (scary thing to do?!?! - being a newbie.)

Restarted Z-Wave JS, and restarted Zigbee2MQTT. Now for logs - all seems good - no errors, warnings, nothing dead or dying. I looked at the: Z-Wave JS, Mosquitto broker, and Zigbee2MQTT add-on logs - again - no red, all green, no errors, etc.

Am I sensing a remove/uninstall Z-Wave JS, reinstall concept? Is the uninstall that simple?

OPS! See the beginning of this reply - all is fixed.

Many thanks for all your help - even simple questions help you think and rethink what you are doing !!
Talking it out helps put many things in perspective.

THANKS !

tmjpugh · December 30, 2022, 11:17pm

Obviously it just wants attention😀

Do you have zwavejsui? There you can see the node numbers and device names.

In the future good troubleshooting method may be

-manually trigger automation from HA UI to verify it working
-manually change trigger state in dev tools to verify trigger working
-look at automation trace when it fail to see what stop it frim triggering or action from occurring

dwdonnelly · December 30, 2022, 11:30pm

@tmjpugh > Obviously it just wants attention😀
OH - SO True!

Ok - on that note:

Yes, I have zwavejsui. Yes - I am learning to use for node ID’s - thanks !!

I have created another automation: motion sensor to turn on the light in the guest bedroom.
Used motion blueprint (same as the first one)

Yup - it does NOT work.

I can manually turn on/off (trigger?) from HA dashboard UI.

Automation trace has no errors:

If I run from the automation screen, trace states it ran, but the light does not come on.

Logs show no errors.

I can turn on/off the light manually at the wall switch.

ah?? Help pls. What am I missing? Why does the light not come on?

tmjpugh · December 31, 2022, 12:47am

Post your automation

dwdonnelly · December 31, 2022, 4:20am

The following automation works. It use a GE A-Wave dimmer switch and an Ikea E1745 motion sesnor:

This automation does not:

GB Light Sw info:

GB motion Sensor

Your help is appreciated.

tmjpugh · December 31, 2022, 4:53am

Maybe you will have more luck if you use the light entity instead if the light device.

dwdonnelly · December 31, 2022, 9:38pm

@tmjpugh riddle me this…

I tried the light entity for the GB - no joy.

Then I thought if the trace shows no errors and looking at all the logs (I looked at several) and they all seemed to have no errors, and all appears to work correctly, and I can turn the light on via the dashboard - what the heck is the problem. ???

I also verified the light switch is supported by Z-Wave (Z-Wave JS Config DB Browser) and since I am moving from SmartThings, and all switches and sensors worked, I “presumed” they would work in HA. (Bad presumption??)

Then a thought - let’s connect the GB room sensor to another light switch in the house.

So I started connecting the IRIS sensor and the IKEA TRADFRI Motion Sensor (E1525/E1745) to the various light switches - see the below operability chart:

Certainly seems like the sensors and light switch are really not compatible.

As you can see, the GB Light Sw does not work with the IRIS or TRADFRI Motion Sensors in HA, but if I place it back into SmartThings using the same sensors - the GB light switch functions as expected.

So - HA presume operability is not there for this light switch / sensor combination…Or am I missing something??? But - I can turn the light on / off via the HA Dashboard. So - why is the automation not working???

Or is this case of - I will have to keep SmartThings alive for some items?

dwdonnelly · December 31, 2022, 10:38pm

@tmjpugh Well - this could be embarrassing or…this could be embarrassing…

I created this GB turn on the light when sensing motion using a motion blueprint. Sounds good right?

Well, I thought I would try and create an automation manually for this same function (yes - I deleted the blueprint one first - since it was not working). So created one to turn on the GB light based on motion. WORKS PERFECTLY !!! What the heck is going on? Clearly something within the basic YAML code differences between the blueprint and manual versions. (Still learning the YAML code?!?!?)

So PROBLEM Solved !! Stick with more manual creation of automations. Now - have to learn Node Red.

Now I just have to figure out how to turn off the light after X minutes of no motion. If you have the basic outline for this automation - pls pass it to me. So far, what I am trying so not working.

Thanks !

tmjpugh · January 1, 2023, 6:18am

Are they all switches or lights in HA?

Dimmer/lights domains are not the same as a switch. Light.turn_on does not work on a switch and some other quirks. I notice none of 46201 work in your chart so in start to think maybe those are switches and not lights.

dwdonnelly · January 1, 2023, 4:56pm

@tmjpugh

Here is the created (non-blueprint) automation:
Motion - Turn On Lite

No Motion - Turn Off Lite

So far - first: it seems to be working (!!! ) and second: in a very stable way (!!! ).

Domains, entities…good info, and quirks - definitely. I have been looking at the devices as a single “thing”: a light bulb, a light switch, a motion sensor, etc. But to your point, a device is a sum of its parts (entities).

And yes the 46201 (all items in that column) are actual switches. All the bulbs are just LED bulbs (not smart).