Australia - Electrically Certified Hardware

I have had a few lights and fans stuck on after lightning storms… there was one fan light already installed in the master bedroom when I moved in that didn’t have the wall switch and of course it came on in a storm at 2am and got stuck on. It was one of those old 100w tube style halogen bulbs… so I had to pull it out glowing red hot, dropped it on the bed and nearly burnt the house down and couldn’t see a thing because my retinas had 3rd degree burns, and to top it off the wife was super super grumpy from being woken at 2am

So when I got the sparky to add the new fans in the kids rooms I got him to leave the switch and I 3d printed a remote holder that I double sided taped over it to cover it up. it still gave access for those times I needed it… which was probably 4 more times in 10years.

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Fans with more than 3 speeds are typically DC motor fans with their own internal speed controller.
Those controllers are for AC fans which are basically just an ac motor and the speed control is in the wall unit.

Any tuya fan is compatible. It can be tricky to tell if it is tuya all the time though, usually some research will tell you.
There is some issues with some fans needing different inputs on the local custom component but the cloud official component should support them still.

I am not a fan of cloud control but I also don’t want something that I permanently install in my house to need to be modified for me to sell my house. Tuya seems to be dominating a lot of the cheap “smart” devices at the moment and there are some workable options for HA.

In some cases I am finding the “smart” devices are the cheapest or only device. The arlec grid connect products are an example of this. I recently wanted a tower fan and the cheapest option bunnings had was a arlec grid connect fan. I wonder if they are finding tuya cheaper than making custom micro controllers.

Ahh yup thanks @chris.huitema

I think ill do the same if I get fans with the controller built into it, instead of the switch

I had an idea about using a Shelly 2.5 behind the switch for my smart fans and modifying the switch actions to:

  • relay default always on
  • switch one sends command to HA to control light
  • switch 2 momentary button to send a command to HA to control fan speed.
  • some combination or sequence of switch one and two to turn the relay off. E.g. holding button 2 and switching off switch 1.

I have just received some Telstra/Sercomm SZ-ESW01-AU plugs, and added them to my deCONZ setup. In Home Assistant they show up as a switch, a power sensor and an energy sensor.
Now, regardless of how I turn on the switch - via Home Assistant or using the physical button - the switch automatically turns off after a couple of seconds. The status is always correctly reflected in Home Assistant and the Phoscon app, and even when I connect to deCONZ using the VNC interface I can turn on the switch and it turns itself off after a couple of seconds.
There is no automation that would turn the switch off.

One weird observation is that if there is an actual consumer (like my laptop charger) connected to the switch, then I can turn it on and it stays on. If I just plug in my microwave without immediately turning that on, the switch turns off.

Has anyone seen this behaviour before? Any settings in deCONZ that I should look for?

I find this interesting. I’m similar.

Often I still go for a “rental friendly solution” (even though I own) for this reason, as well as fear of “rapid technology obsolescence” and uncertain time to failure.

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Also agree
The switch should still fully function manually as well (wifes/kids never listen and always use the switch)

Although I will be having frigate person detection, trigger flood lights to turn on in awhile, but I think of this differently :wink:

I’m using zigbee2mqtt and just tried to duplicate your problem.

If I turn any of them on without something plugged in they stay turned on.

If you turn off the ZigBee adapter does the switch still turn off after a few seconds?

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Yes. I just shut down the deCONZ container and unplugged the USB stick. The plugs still turned off automatically after a few seconds.

In the meantime, I have made a few more observations:

  • It turned out that this behaviour with the plugs turning off by themselves is only happening at daytime for several hours, but not tied to sunrise/sunset, but more like some time between ~10am to ~3pm (not the same each day).
  • Outside of that timeframe I have full control over the plugs, can turn them on and off and they stay like that.
  • When the plugs are off during the day they automatically turn on in the afternoon, without any particular trigger (that I could identify). There is nothing corresponding in the Logbook at around those time.

Here is a history graph comparison of 3 plugs (ignore P1 being unavailable for 2 days, it was just not plugged in). The timeframes that the plugs turn on or off by themselves may appear to line up perfectly, but they’re not - sometimes they’re just seconds apart, sometimes half an hour.

whats the best gear for outdoors? Light switches and power points that nicely integrate into HA

I see there is an update to Zigbee2mqtt and the Sercomm Telstra Plug is included under new supported devices. Mine was already working so I’ll have to see what this does.
Release 1.23.0 · Koenkk/zigbee2mqtt · GitHub

And just to take over here.

I have read through pretty much all of this post and have picked up a few ideas - and managed to buy the new Sonoff Zigbee dongle and the ex-Telstra plugs to try out Zigbee, but - are there any Zigbee equivalents of the Shelly wifi relays?

I don’t want to get new power-points or light switches that don’t match the Clipsal faceplates and Shelly wifi seems to be the only Australian approved items that would allow me to keep the existing look.

You’d be looking at stitchy

https://stitchy.com.au/

Thought last I checked they were expensive and had to use a traditional flick switch and not a bell press so they get ‘out of sync’ with the switch. Other pucks (Zwave and wifi) allow you configure which switch type you’re using

Clipsal Wiser have dimmer and a switch zibee modules, but are ridiculously priced, circa A$130-A$140

If your faceplate is the iconic range, they also have zigbee mech’s, also very dear A$130. This is the switch

And here’s the dimmer mech

So my Kogan Air purifier ($120) arrived and I pulled it apart.

It looks like the brains are a TYWE1S (which is a ESP8266EX apparently, not that I really know what that means). I’m wondering if it can be Tuya-converted and flashed with ESPHome?

And the Particulate matter sensor it uses look like it is a PM1006, which is supported by ESPHome.

The fan has two speeds apparently.

So this is all smelling like it shouldn’t be too hard to ESPHome it?

Can anyone confirm what level of difficulty I’m probably facing, share any ideas, and maybe point to me to some resources to help me get on the right track?

I don’t really know what I’m doing but optimistic that I can muddle through it.

Thank you.



Edit: Oh and the control panel. I don’t have a clue about that.


I didn’t know about the Clipsal relay - but yes way overpriced. I find one of my local electrical stores can doa better price but it would still be north of $100.

I have two of the Iconic modules- but they are the ones that were Bluetooth only, before they added Zigbee, so they are not very useful…… They were expensive too. (Wish they did trade-ins!)

Oh yes - looks like $100+ at retail.

Shelly is looking more attractive.

EDIT: It appears they are only for lights (300 watts max??), so could not be used behind a power point like the Shelly.

There are a bunch of behind switch Zigbee modules listed here https://zigbee.blakadder.com/switches.html

Not sure how many are Oz certified.

Thanks Tom - the certified bit always seems the stumbling block.