Electrical wiring - controlling wall sockets

[phier (john)]

Hello,
I want to redo the electrical wiring in my flat. If I want to control each 230V socket individually, does that mean I would need a separate cable run from the main distribution board to each socket?

Thanks

[Karosm]

No, you can place smart relay to each socket.
Stay with certified devices like Shelly.

[phier (john)]

@karosm
thanks, something like i mentioned here?

Shelly Wave 1PM

Wall socket with 2xusb port - quality

hello, any idea why such a huge price diff on these almost identical sockets? is it worth to buy the expensive one? https://www.amazon.de/dp/B09M6HH3FC/ https://www.amazon.de/dp/B07HKZ963W also is it a good idea to control such a socket with thanks

So in general its better to place into the socket such a device instead of run separate wire/per socket, correct?

thx

[Karosm]

Holy s…t how much Wave costs…
I meant the Shelly 1PM Gen4 that costs half of that.

@phier

So in general its better to place into the socket such a device instead of run separate wire/per socket, correct?

Not better, but definitely easier/cheaper and thereon the more common way.
Running separate lines for every socket has advantages, you can have 16A load in every socket without tripping the circuit breakers.

[Zenia (Yevgeniy)]

Looks like you are not an electrician. I highly recommend you hire certify electrician to perform outlets modification

[phier (john)]

@Karosm

Holy s…t how much Wave costs…

i cant get it for 23 euro.

@Karosm

I meant the Shelly 1PM Gen4 that costs half of that.

i provided link to 1pm gen4, what costs half of that?

@Zenia

Looks like you are not an electrician. I highly recommend you hire certify electrician to perform outlets modification

i need to know what can be used/ how … wont be do that physicaly.

@Karosm

Running separate lines for every socket has advantages, you can have 16A load in every socket without tripping the circuit breakers.

got your point.
So based on what to design load/ how many separate lines per socket etc etc?

In such a case … if you have lets say 3x230V sockets on one line to CB ; there is no point to use 16A shelly, … 8A per socket might be fine - under assumption no 16A device will be connected to one socket… but if u have 3 device each lets say 3-4A … in total 3x4=12A → on 16A CB.

Thanks

[Zenia (Yevgeniy)]

Or use something like that

[ THIRDREALITY Smart Plug 4 Pack, 15A Smart Outlet with Timer Function, Zigbee Repeater, ETL Certified, Requires ZigBee Hub, No Power Meter - Amazon.com

[Karosm]

@phier

i provided link to 1pm gen4, what costs half of that?

You linked Wave.

@phier

there is no point to use 16A shelly, … 8A per socket might be fine - under assumption no 16A device will be connected to one socket

You can’t assume anything. You have 16A CB and all the wiring and components down to socket have to be rated for that.

[phier (john)]

@Zenia using simillar but want to have clean design.

@Karosm

You linked Wave.

you mean zigbee/? got lost.

@Karosm

You can’t assume anything. You have 16A CB and all the wiring and components down to socket have to be rated for that.

most of the CB are 6,10,16A … so got lost why they do 8A, 16A … .also devices linged by @zenia these are mostly 10/12/16A and i assume users have no clue on what CB is specific outleet where they plug it.

thanks

[orange-assistant (wisecracker)]

@phier

8A per socket might be fine - under assumption no 16A device will be connected to one socket… but if u have 3 device each lets say 3-4A … in total 3x4=12A → on 16A CB.

Hell no

@Karosm

have 16A CB and all the wiring and components down to socket have to be rated for that.

Hell yea!

[Karosm]

@phier

you mean zigbee/? got lost.

So have a look what you linked… It’s z-wave version.

@phier

most of the CB are 6,10,16A

And likely all for the sockets are 16A. No electrician is going to wire you 6A sockets…

[phier (john)]

@Karosm

And likely all for the sockets are 16A. No electrician is going to wire you 6A sockets…

@Karosm
i am confused
this is 8A and they installed it into the wall socket?

Shelly 1PM Mini Gen4

[bob.t (Bob)]

@phier

this is 8A and they installed it into the wall socket?

Shelly 1PM Mini Gen4 – Shelly Europe

There are several 1PM’s with different specs on the site.

Shelly 1PM Gen4 - 16A Smart Relay with Power Metering

[Karosm]

@phier

this is 8A and they installed it into the wall socket?

“They” should not.

[phier (john)]

@Karosm other problem is
if u have CB 10A and control wall socket with 16A shelly … also nonsense?

[Zenia (Yevgeniy)]

Zigbee , WIFI or what ever you prefer. I mean one which you can plug in to the outlet without intervened

[Karosm]

@phier

if u have CB 10A and control wall socket with 16A shelly … also nonsense?

You shouldn’t have 10A CB / wiring for wall sockets in the first place.
And if you had (some countries used to have 10A sockets), 16A shelly would still be better than 10A one.
Let make this simple, wall sockets >> everything 16A.

[Zenia (Yevgeniy)]

Breaker is your protection devices. Smart plug just a controlling device, which shouldn’t be less than you PROTECTION device. In US minimum residential breaker size is 15Amp.

[phier (john)]

@Karosm

wall sockets >> everything 16A.

what is meant by: ?
wall sockets >> everything 16A

[orange-assistant (wisecracker)]

@phier

what is meant by

As written before… it means wall sockets from this decade are typically rated minimum 16A.