Light not turning on after motion is detected a second time

McFarTech · August 25, 2022, 9:23am

Hi Team

So i have this flow. If motion is detected and the light level is less than 1000. Then are we in bed or not at home. If we are in bed and motion is detected it turns the light on for 10 seconds and then it turns the lights off. Works great if you are just passing through the room. However i have the same work flow for our bathroom. Mrs is getting the hump because after 10 seconds the lights go out and even through there is movement in the room the light is not turning back on again. Any suggestions to improve this flow?

Hellis81 · August 25, 2022, 9:29am

This is the concept:
You have a trigger node that waits 10 seconds and delays the send for each new message.
Not sure how or where to add it to your sequence but I think remove the delay and add it there.

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But this requires a rather fast motion sensor to work. It has to have much less than 10 seconds cool down

McFarTech · August 25, 2022, 8:02pm

Thanks for the reply. As suspected it didn’t really work. I have been looking at this for the last hour and not 100% sure how i can just keep the light on if motion is detected.

Anyone have any thoughts?

obaldius · August 27, 2022, 8:50am

what’s the blind time of your pir sensor? have you considered raising the 10 seconds delay?

As hellis pointed out, you need a sensor with a very low blind time for this to work, which isn’t usual.

That’s the reason the light turns off after 10 seconds and doesnt’ turn on again, because your sensor hasn’t still changed its motion detected state.

craigcurtin · August 28, 2022, 2:25am

Have a look in the logbook and see how quickly the PIR sensor will update on movement - this will give you your minimum time that you can reasonably sense

Essentially what you are wanting to do is to run a loop

Detect motion
Turn on light
wait for 10 secs - if no more motion detection then turn off light, if more motion then reset

If your PIR does not reset its state in less than 10 seconds and then transmit the new motion notification then you have nothing to hook into

Craig

McFarTech · August 29, 2022, 5:07pm

Thanks mate. You have understood what i am trying to do.

When i look in the logbook i see this. I walked in the room at 18:02:40 and i moved about for 2 mins in the room. Then i left at 18:04:35 and a few mins later then light went out.

See below for the logbook entry. Not sure if that shows how quickly its resetting its state. I am using a Phillips Hue Motion sensor.

obaldius · August 29, 2022, 6:43pm

could you please share your code? not just a picture, the code.

Philips Hue motion sensors do have a 10 seconds blind time, so it can work the way you want.

McFarTech · August 29, 2022, 6:53pm

Thanks mate. I have pissed around with this so much. Right now this is what i have.

Basically on the top item “Turn on Dining Room Light - Dimmed” i am trying to get the light to turn off after 10 or 20 seconds but stay on if motion. The 07:00 to 23:00 branch the light can turn off after 5 mins as normal.

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obaldius · August 29, 2022, 8:49pm

So from 23:00 to 07:00 live should turn off after 10-20 seconds, otherwise after 5 minutes, is that it?

obaldius · August 29, 2022, 8:55pm

This

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should replace this

I suspect the rest you have it right?

McFarTech · August 29, 2022, 9:39pm

Thanks mate. So the light is turning on but is still turning off with motion in the room and its not waiting 5 mins

I only need the light to go off after 20 seconds say if the Good-Bye-Good-Night toggle is on. Out side of that the light can stay on for 5 minutes before going off with no motion.

Below is my updated flow based on your changes.

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craigcurtin · August 29, 2022, 9:50pm

Have you watched the Hookup on Youtube - he did a video recently on HA and NR and covered exactly this scenario - including remembering dimmed states etc

Have a look

Craig

obaldius · August 29, 2022, 9:53pm

I made a mistake before, I believe this should do it

replace this:

with this:

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Delay is overridden by msg.delay in milliseconds. I set the 20 sec delay to 10000 mls because it’s 10 seconds from the PIR blind time plus 10 more seconds.

McFarTech · August 29, 2022, 10:32pm

Ok so we are getting close i think. So when Good-Bye-Good-Night is off the light is coming on and staying on for 5 minutes.

When Good-Bye-Good-Night is on the light is coming on and going off after 20 seconds even though there is motion in the room. I have / will be using the same flows for other rooms. The bathroom is the one my Mrs is giving me a head ache over.

Any other suggestions? Not far off it

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obaldius · August 30, 2022, 6:57am

sorry mate, I’m lost. Trigger node is behaving as expected according to my tests… I dunno where the problem is.

craigcurtin · August 30, 2022, 7:05am

Just looking at the picture of the flow you have posted - what is different between the top and the bottom stream ? They both look like they are going to be operating on the PIR in the dining room - are you sure these are not running in parallel and clobbering each other ?

Maybe put some debug nodes on each one and set it to the full debug message (and give them both names like top and bottom) and post up the debug screen when you force motion

craigcurtin · August 30, 2022, 7:08am

When i import that last flow you posted it does not have the trigger now and the turn off node either

Mikefila · August 30, 2022, 7:33am

Try this for the off signal, the input boolean/off time is accounted for in the jsonata

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McFarTech · August 30, 2022, 7:43am

Ah sorry not sure why the code did not come through in the flow. Hopefully this one has it all.

I think this seems to be working. I recreated manually what you did rather than import as i think something odd happened when it imported the flow. I also changed the off section to the off connection on the PIR @craigcurtin it might just have been that and thank you for the nudge in the right direction.

I need to do some testing. When the Good-Bye-Good-Night is on the light is switching off after 30 seconds. which i think you said was the 20 seconds delay and 10 seconds from the PIR blind time. 30 Seconds is more than fine.

I will do more testing today and will report back but from the test i just did its working as i wanted it. Thank you everyone who has commented and @obaldius for really taking the time , i really appreciate it.

Apart from getting it fixed (pending more testing) the main thing is i have learnt something along the way and thats the best bit.

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obaldius · August 30, 2022, 8:46am

I don’t think this last picture you posted will work since the trigger node relies both on the on and off state to start / stop the countdown.

I don’t think top and bottom flows are clobbering, I would try to merge them though… not sure it would be worth it.

Mikefila’s suggestion is the best / most compact / prettiest solution you’ll find. If that doesn’t work, problem is somewhere else.

He made a little mistake in the Jsonata delay, he forgot to add the " = ‘on’ " comparison. Put this instead, but as I said, it’s the best approach we’ve come up with in this thread:

$entities('input_boolean.good_night_good_bye').state = 'on' ? 20 : 300

If you want to merge both triggers into one node, this should work

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