And here starts the problem: A lot of users are seemingly completely overestimating their knowledge to work from the command line but are hopping from some GUI-OS’es straight into install methods which require to be familiar with the CLI. And soon after the ranting starts …
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What an arrogant POV. I don’t NEED supervised but I like it and I choose to use it. I like the HA addons. I like Ingress. I like to run other containers apart from HA, I like Supervised managing the whole HA environment. Why should I be forced to find myriad docker containers to do things I can do with addons. Good grief there was blood in the streets when they did try to remove the supervised install and the devs relented to support supervised with Debian.
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Cool down 
Saw the “imho”?
And what you say actual goes my way: you don’t NEED supervised.
You just like it for your own reasons.
Addons ARE containers, as you know
I do see one behavior here always comming back. Screaming around, that HA is only for people, who have deep knowledge of command line things and so on.
However it is ment, it comes over as: HA is for nerds only, stay away, if you are not a nerd!
Well, where exactly this is stated on the homepage of Home Assistant?
I only see this:
Awaken your home
Open source home automation that puts local control and privacy first.
Powered by a worldwide community of tinkerers and DIY enthusiasts.
Perfect to run on a Raspberry Pi or a local server.
Is it not the intention to make things easier for EVERYONE?
It does not matter, which instal you choose, everyone of them can allways be made easier, if that is possible, why not?
And when user try to explain their difficulties here, they get shot down by this exact behaviour. Always the same song: YOU ARE NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO RUN THIS.
Common guys, with such arrogance HA never will grow to be THE SYSTEM for everyone.
Please, think, before you shoot a new user down because of lack of knowledge. Use it to make your product better!
just my 2 cent’s again…
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Nobody says that. @Tamsy is probably right on spot, here.
If you don’t “have deep knowledge of command line things and so on”, install HassOS, THAT is the system for everyone.
As you can see from the OP, Supervised can be more frustration than benefit for the project.
Nobody was shot down. The OP was already in rant mode in his initial post, and actually ignored Taras’ offer for help.
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I agree, One thing i love about HA is the flexibility for people to install whatever method they want.
Saying one installation method should be removed because they should know how is extremely arrogant.
HA goals over the years has been make it useable for all regardless of install method.
On thing i have to question though is the OP issue about supervised on ubuntu being unsupported not being documented.
If you look at their history they acknowledge a post (above thiers) from a user pointing the community guideline about installing on ubuntu, which clearly has always acknowledged it being unsupported
Being its the 3rd most installed method, i cant see how is does not benefit the project as it add those users who want a little more control but like the ease of the addon installation etc.
Maybe we should drop support for the venv method as those who run are able to use without any support/help
People need to get out of this mentality that one installation is better than the other because of their knowledge. HA is for all regardless of install method and their knowledge
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I’m speechless…
Nobody is saying one installation method should be removed and nobody is saying one installation method is better than another. What I tried to point out is why should someone want to get him-/herself into installation trouble by using a method which assumes some basic knowledge at using the CLI if that knowledge is simply not learned yet?
Although being a *nix sysadmin for decades I chose the virualenv method first to learn about the architecture of HA and its inner workings. Then I went forward and installed HassOS. Thereafter I went to Supervised. Its about the learning curve and nothing else.
Don’t start this discussion again. There are long threads on this forum about it from beginning last year when they wanted to deprecate supervised installations. There is nothing wrong with supervised installations, just install them as they are intended, on Debian.
There is a reason I dislike Ubuntu, they always want to do things a little different from other Linux distributions.
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@tamsy my point was not directed at your comment but the statement.
If you don’t “have deep knowledge of command line things and so on”, install HassOS, THAT is the system for everyone.
A deep understanding of the cli is not required.
There are posts every week from people who want a little more control over their install or just to add something and then complain it cant be done in HAOS and so then require supervised (a install method the devs acknowledged was widely used when they tried to get rid of)
All good on my side, @aidbish, and I agree to your writing about:
What is sometimes hard to understand is why ppl. want this little more control or adding something if they are not ready to do so yet ? There is and will always be a bigger and better, not only with HA. If you look closely at some of those posts you’ll notice that often the poster has in fact no clue at all what he is doing nor what he really wants to accomplish. Even worse: Often it’s just about inquiring instant solutions while being too lazy to do some research by thermselves.
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you’ll find thats due to the amount of YouTube vids, they make it sound easy
They rarely ever recognise and explain to the viewer that HA is constantly evolving and what might be right at the time video was produced may not work next week
- It’s Home Assistant Supervised that isn’t supported on Ubuntu (i.e. it’s broader than merely the Supervisor portion).
- The documentation does explain that Home Assistant Supervised is supported exclusively on Debian. Here’s the documentation for installing Home Assistant Supervised. The very first step is to understand the requirements.
The “requirements” link leads to a document that very clearly describes the prerequisites for installing Home Assistant Supervised, notably this:
Debian Linux Debian 10 aka Buster (no derivatives)
Before you installed Home Assistant Supervised, did you read the official installation instructions? If you did then you would have known only Debian is acceptable for an officially supported version of Home Assistant Supervised.
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No, home automation is (categorically) a hobby. The field is far from mature and your expectation should be that things will often be hard. The people contributing to HA in particular are, in my view, trying hard to make things better. If you want a product that just works, buy an iPhone. HA etc. isn’t yet a general consumer product. OTOH, just because someone picks something easier (in this case, an easier installation method) doesn’t make them less smart. But, certain methods does require more involvement and that is your choice. Don’t complain about taking the hard road if you choose it.
BTW, you’re the only one screaming here, typing in all caps. Use bold or italics for emphasis. And stop calling people names (i.e. nerds). Nobody called you anything.
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And, to be fair, I don’t think home automation will ever be “easy”. No matter how much people want it to be.
If you want to do anything at all beyond the very basic “automation” then you are always going to need some advanced knowledge and technical ability.
Think about it in relation to industrial automation systems.
PLC’s and such have been around for decades but those companies still can’t hire any “joe/jane blow” off the streets and make it so they can write PLC ladder logic/etc code. It takes lots of training and experience to get decent at it. If they could “make it easy” (as HA says they want to do) then industry would have done it years ago with the incentive that they wouldn’t have to pay for that knowledge & experience if it was so easy “a caveman could do it”.
Home automation will end up in the same place if it wants to actually be useful/powerful enough to do anything beyond simple stuff.
If you want to do “just the basics” then HA is already set up for that as much as it can be.
Otherwise you start dumbing it down too much and it becomes useless as an advanced automation system.
DIY is all well and good but it has it’s limitations just like any other technology.
If you are a good DIY auto mechanic/electrician/HVAC tech/programmer then good for you. If not then you may need to do what you would otherwise do if those technical fields are beyond your skillset - hire someone. Or better yet learn it.
This isn’t directed specifically at the OP (who had a different but related issue) but the thread has taken a turn toward this topic.
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Thanks Pieter
Hi Chris,
In case I am missing something on the installations page for x86-64
As you work throught it I see no reference to ubuntu as unsupported. References to use ubuntu.
At the bottom of the compare installation methods with respect to supervisor there are no links or info. In the documentation for istallation there doesnt seem to be any info re supervisor. Why do I need it?
thanks Ian
Those are explanation to install HassOS via an image, which is naturally built with a Debian OS and supported components.
It’s obviously not what you have done, so not sure why you mention this, tbh…
Ok I’m glad I have stimulated some discussion.
Home Assistant Supervised : Manual installation of the Supervisor where are the links to home assistant supervised please?
At the bottom of the page “Compare Installation Methods” where do I find a description of the relative benefits of each installation type?
Surely a simple flow chart with information panels would save a lot of time?
I thought I would give homeassistant a go on a linux based system. I liked the idea of a containerised ie virtual installation with full control over it but have found the documentation on its installation types difficult to decipher.
Just reading some replies, in my opinion the documentation needs to be split (or coded) to accommodate new, mid and advanced users.
The same for the installation option types for a given hardware target so a clear understanding of the pros and cons prior to installation.
It would be nice to have an entry level area with some Op support or mentors for new users, rather than ploughing through forums (with so many installation types).
I worked on Dec unix and linux based networked systems for 10 years, happy to work at cmd level. Happy to put in and learn Homeassistant just dont want to make it my lifes work as it changes continually. For basic automation & control it should be easy, leaving complicated HA tasks to those with expert status.
In good faith,
cheers