Tecnoalarm Homeassistant integration

Hi,

I’m new to this forum so greetings to all.

I have a deployment of HASS.io in a vm for my home automation.

All is working fine and after some tuning I gett all my tasmotized sonoff and 433mhz devices (rf bridge gw) working and functional.

I’m wondering if anyone knows if there is a way to integrate Tecnoalarm (italian brand) security system with Homeassistant.

In my use case i have a TP8-28 GSM device with 10 IR BARRIER that i use to ave active alarm system even if I let doors or windows open in summer.

Active IR Barrier are very reliable with 0 false positives. (this is the product - http://www.tecnoalarm.com/en-uk/installatore/prodotto-8522/doorbeam-s-180-bianco)

They communicate with central system via serial bus (with proprietary protocoll i guess).

I want to have a system fully managed by myself and full integrated with HASS.

I could even replace all IR BARRIER with other sensors but i could not find a cheap diy reliable solution.

I look at some kind of surrogate (433mhz low angle PIRS) as KERUI p817 but i think that solution could be really too much unrealiable compared to active ir barriers.
My needs are to avoid false positives on sensor located out of my doors and windows.

Anyone has experience or could share with me possible solutions?

Thanks and regards.

p.s. sorry for bad english

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Hi
Take a look at konnected.io

I successfully deployed it using my wired sensors.
I’m still using my tecnoalarm tp5 mb for powering it (with backup battery too).
IIUC now you can connect konnected board in parallel with your alarm, but I’m not sure.
HTH (Italy here too :wink: )

Hi Polluz, I have the same tecnoalarm device (TP8-28 GSM) and I have PROG NET2 Module for control alarm system from APP. I know that PROG NET 2 have ip address but i don’t know how integrate It in Hassio.

Hi guys
I’m interested to this topic as I’m about to get a Tecnoalarm system installed and wish to know if there is a way to integrate it in Home Assistant.
In case you could find a solution could you please let me know?
Thanks
Ciao
Gianluca

so that can speak with proprietary standards as used by Tecnoalarm?

you can’t talk directly with alarm’s closed standards.
you’ve got 2 ways with konnected:

  • replace your alarm board and reuse all the wired sensors, sirens, relays
  • put konnected board in parallel with your alarm board; in this case you can integrate it into HA and keep using the alarm.
    check konnected’s site for more info
    HTH

I have checked it but it doesn’t tell me what alarm systems are compatible to allow to run it in parallel so I asked here

every kind of wired alarm board.
if you decide to use konnected replacing your alarm board, check this:


if you just want to integrate, check this:
https://konnected.io/collections/in-stock-now/products/konnected-alarm-panel-interface-for-wired-security-systems

please, take some time to read carefully how it works on the linked site, thank you

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For Tecnoalarm only possibile with Tecno-OUT protocol.
The device with Tecno-OUT is TP42, TP88, TP440, TP96, TP512, TP256, TP28 (only with prog-net-tecnoout).

Hi Andrea, I’ve a Technoalarm TP28. I need the prognet module for integrating the paralelle solution this?:

https://konnected.io/collections/in-stock-now/products/konnected-alarm-panel-interface-for-wired-security-systems

Yes, you need ProgNet-TecnoOUT … but I don’t know that someone has implemented the techno-out protocol in Home Assistant.

Hi @Andrea_Annoni!

I’m reviving this old topic. Sorry for the offtopic: We just bought a new home and it has a Tecnoalarm (TP8-28). I reset’ed the codes to factory, but now I’m looking for the Tecnoalarm software. The alarm has the PROGNET interface. In the future I would integrate it (in some way), even with the tamper output and relay → mqtt → Home-assistant.

Do you have the software in order to reprogram my Tecnoalarm?

Thanks!!!

The software is called Centro. But it is a licensed software and has a list cost of 500 €. Please note that the TP8-28 does not support the Tecno-OUT protocol and therefore it is not possible to communicate in any way

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Thanks Andrea for your answer.

So, bad news for me… they make good hardware but then you can’t manage it properly on your own :sweat_smile:

At some point I will have to trash it and buy something free to manage (Like Ajax, etc) and link with home automation.

Regards,

[quote=“anigwei, post:14, topic:85855”]
hanks Andrea for your answer.

So, bad news for me… they make good hardware but then you can’t manage it properly on your own :sweat_smile:

Ajax doesn’t interface with anything. They are not safety systems but toys.

Hi!
I install tecnoalarm occasionally. Regarding TP8-28: you can control alarms via “my tecnoalarm” software from your phone/tablet (use old apk, not new one, the one with blue icon). You must forward port 10001 to local IP of your alarm central in order to work.

For programming you would need, as already said, program “centro” which is not cheap, and, for local programming you’d also need progusb interface (again not cheap). You can program it via network with centro without this interface, but you can’t, for instance, update firmware via network - only via usb.

Hm…well, Tecnoalarm is a proffessional equipment and as such it’s not intended to be managed by user except handle with it. Programming is made by professionals. But, you can program all via keypad (if you have installer code), except you can’t name zones (and some other thigs), which is kinda P.I.T.A., I agree. But, please don’t mix tecnoalarm with toy equipment like ajax…etc… it’s just not comparable. Like you’d compare a mercedes with fiat…
TP8-28 is an excellent piece of equipment. I can say that in my career (15+ years) i still didn’t see tecnoalarm equipment to broke…
I made esp board with inputs and outputs to control my panel (TP10-42) via input zones and panel outputs - it’s the only way. Communication between modules is encypted for safety reasons, so no integration with HA is possible, although i’d like to see it also.

@Protoncek
Hello Pavel, I also have a TP10-42 here at home, and I would like to interface to it in order to at least detect if the alarm is active or inactive and eventually which window has triggered the alarm.

I have seen on tecnoalarm website that a F127ESPLAN ethernet interface is available ( here ESP LAN - Tecnoalarm Installer ). Would the alarm + ethernet card able to output these information? Or is that just useful for preset notifications, likeI’m reading on the website?

What are you able to do with the esp board you interfaced to the alarm? Was its programming and integration difficult to achieve? Thank you!

ESPLAN interface connects to internet, but it’s usefull only with tecnoalarm app, and with it panel can also send email when something happens (programmable). The problem is that Home Assistant can’t recognize tecnoalarm so direct integration is not possible. Only way is with separate input/outputs module. On tecnoalarm you program output to toggle when alarm is triggered (or whatever you want), then connect this output to input of esp (like mcp23017) and you’ll have information in HA. Other way is to connect siren output to esp input.
Vice-versa is also possible: program one free tecnoalarm input (zone) as key zone (if you have any), assign it to one program, then connect esp’s output (via relay) to this key zone and you’ll be able to turn on/off program.
But, if you don’t have access to installer meni (installer code) it will be difficult in any case, since you have to open control panel case.

@Protoncek Thank you for your nice reply, Pavel, I appreciate.

The technician who originally installed the alarm system has the installer code and is ready to help.
What I would like to achieve, via your input/output method is to have home assistant being aware if the only simple alarm program (all windows and main door monitored) is active or not ( ideally, in case the alarm get triggered, it would be nice to be able to know remotely which window did trigger the alarm).
At the moment, I don’t know how many inputs and outputs have already been used on my box (or if I even have to buy an additional module).

Additionally, my main goal is to be able to turn on and turn off the alarm through a fingerprint sensor.
I saw a fingerprint reader sold by technoalarm here APR FINGER N_White - Tecnoalarm Installer , but I guess that, once I have home assistant interfacing to the alarm via esp, I could use a fingerprint reader on the home assistant side and tweak the programming on the home assistant end.
What do you think?
Thank you again!

Control panel has, if i remember correctly, 4 outputs which can be programmed to alarm on/off state or to alarm triggerred state. For more you can buy additional output module, or, if you have speed 4/8 expansion modules some of them also have one or two outputs you can use. For home assistant side see, say, mcp23017 module on aliexpres, if you find one with esp chip onboard you can program it with esphome. Mcp23017 has 16 pins and each of them can be either input or output, so you can control alarm via key input zone, as i said.
Fingerprint… hm… definitely it will be cheaper with china fingerprint, esp module and esphome. Tecnoalarm is not exactly cheap…