Too many updates for ESPHome; too often

If you look at the release notes, you can see this release contains a very long list of changes. Based on this large number, I already foresee a lot of point releases in the upcoming days, so I wait a week or two before I start updating my devices. And if there are for me no ‘interesting changes’ in the release notes I completely skip this version and do once in a few months and update to avoid breaking changes, who might ‘hit’ me in the future.

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Yep, that is why the skip button exists. There’s nothing new of interest to me and no breaking changes I have to address so I’ll keep skipping these updates until the next ESPHome beta starts then I’ll install the last version for the month. I probably won’t bother updating all my devices.

So the actual work required by me has been: a quick three minute read of the release notes then pressing “skip” a few times. Not exactly an onerous task.

Remember this is a project highly embedded in the DIY space. You are expected to tinker and maintain.

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Weird that I never saw you around in the esphome discord doing (beta) testing. Really no excuse?

As you know there are only a minimum of a million different possible esphome configurations one could have.

And the later will probably never be enough - because esphome supports such a vast amount of mcus, sensors, etc. Even if Phil would start (voluntarily) full time testing esphome other users will still come around and tell @pvanleen and others do a bad job, not testing enough and so on.

So one is only eligible for expressing their personal opinion regarding those update cycles if also being around in the esphome discord doing (beta) testing? :thinking:
Weird indeed.

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I always love seeing these “too many updates” complainers. How dare they tey to make improvements … We’ve got an immigrant invasion here in the USA, criminals are the new protected class of victims and when you go out for a walk, it wont be a banana peel you slip on these days.You’re more likely to trip over a homeless person or the part of the sidewalk where they take their morning dump. We’ve got religious extremists/terrorists lobbing DIY water pipe missiles all over or disrupting global shipping, causing highef proves or shortages and their supporters are protesting for a jewish genocide while in the same breath, they are horrified at how similar Trump is to Hitler. If neither of these nightmares effect your life then you have the painful trauma that come from pushing Skip buttons or you live in fear, that Putin will sneak into your home and take it! This esphome issue is getting serious and its noy getting the world wide outrage that it deserves!

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It shows active development? I don’t dispute that, I DO dispute the need to roll out every ‘new development’ as soon as it lands rather than waiting for the next monthly update cycle, oh sorry that doesn’t compute. It doesn’t matter that there are other open source suppliers out there, it doesn’t matter someone has a bee in their bonnet to get the latest and greatest out there.

It matters that I only put in one conversation yesterday which got moved into an existing conversation that has been ongoing and all I see is people whinging for or against. How about people learn from the issue instead of carrying on.

I like ESPHome and what it can do, it does not mean I need to become a tester to enjoy it, it is after all open source. What I don’t like is seeing update after update after update showing up when they all can be put into a monthly cycle and only have updates in between where necessary like bug fixes etc. If the updates that are currently being released are bug fixes then I stand by my original comment!

If ESPHome was a commercial situation you would not have many if any customers left!

I have said my piece and looks like so have others, enough has been said. Either learn from it or don’t but if anything don’t jump down someone throat because you don’t like comments.

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If you look at the changes in the minor releases you will see they are all bug fixes or quality improvements to the new features in the main release, not new features.

https://esphome.io/changelog/2023.12.0.html#release-2023-12-1-december-21

So again, as has been mentioned many times, it comes down to not enough beta testers to test everything in the major release.

And it is fantastic that these fixes are released as quickly as they are.

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ESPHome supports hundreds of devices. Supported by dozens of developers. Maybe more. Maybe you are OK waiting for a monthly update, and many do by simply hitting “Skip”. But If one of MY devices is not working correctly, I would want the developer to release the fix as soon as possible.

What is so difficult about pressing “Skip”?

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Looks to me like you saw one sentence and stuck on it without reading the whole comment. Petro did not say bug fixes in the part that I above mentioned. Maybe read the whole message in context.

Regardless of how many bug fixes there are, to fix a bug or bunch of bugs in one release is fine, bugs are bound to be found. Do the same one day after another after another is not. They could be spread out better say once a week, that way you get to see those bugs one after another before you release bug fixes. As it is now you may as well do it on an hourly basis, why stop at one day? Then maybe the faeces WILL hit the proverbial fan!!!

Nah this whole topic does not deserve that much attention.

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And I appreciate the work that the developers do regardless of how many there are, however they would surely do SOME testing before the ‘beta testers’ do and do the beta testers thoroughly test enough to their own expectations? Do they miss something you pick up on the next day after its released? Do YOU really want your device fixed YESTERDAY or prefer that sufficient time is given to ensure FURTHER bugs are minimised?

Just putting it out there…

“Stop it man, you’re confusing me!” so someone once said, yes I sometimes wish I could lose myself in a corner sometimes. I’m just glad I don’t live in the USA, I say ZED not ZEE, and no I don’t live in Canada either. Hey, but understand where ya coming from! Can you send me some of that zh!t ya smokin?

Wow, and yet until something changes it won’t go away. I don’t know what is more scary, that issue is still an issue or that you as a moderator think it not worthy of comment even if you don’t see your own comment as biased.

As a moderator I see these pointless circular moaning sessions far too often and yes I am quite jaded by them.

This topic is founded on false assumptions and clear methods to deal with the supposed ‘issue’ have been explained repeatedly yet the moaning goes on and on and on…

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If one has to complain about minor things like device updates, I guess he or she must have a very good life, one without real problems like health or so.
But there will always be complainers and something to complain about, you can choose to react on it or ignore.
It’s just part of life :slight_smile:

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I would be very careful in what you say regards the above. Not that it is any of your damn business but life has been ‘reasonable’ to date with the exception of the triple bypass a few years ago. No, I am not soliciting your sympathy, just making you aware some comments can be offensive to some, even if not too careful, libelous.

libelous? Are you sure you don’t live in the US?

You have posted 10 times on this forum, in about 3 years. 8 of them are in this thread, one (in another thread) contained Yelling.

Just go away until you have something positive to say.

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My son just read this and said he could write a whole book on the subject. Not too sure if he meant living in the US or Libel… :rofl:

There have heaps of libel action in the good ol’ AUS of late (yes that’s AUS, down under!) where the toilets flush the other way and everything (animal) is out to get you. We even had the wars of the emus where the army was brought in to ‘cull the heard’. Currently there are floods in Queensland where if you don’t drown you could be eaten by crocs or even sharks!

Yes our more dangerous neighbour. Not sure anyone has libelled you though…

We are now off topic :slight_smile:

Was just making people aware to be wary of what they say.