Read the audience. We are not their audience. They use cloud apps because it is almost easy for the user to connect the appliance to their smart phone. If the manufacturer provides an API, which would be needed to integrate into Home Assistant, they are not trying to lock you into their brand.
I am still skeptical of Matter devices. I would bet a lunch that as manufacturers are adding matter to their products, they are engineering a way to keep their users in the family. Maybe just the essentials on any Matter host, but if you use our host, you will get more features.
There’s another thread here talking about how Matter devices can - and apparently usually do - require a cloud connection. My expectation is that if the standard allows that, the manufacturers will require it.
And, no, I’m not the target demographic. I’ve known that for a long time.
Anything that uses the hOn platform - that is Hoover, Candy, Haier. There is a good custom integration in HACS, but the company is determined to stop it working.
Matter can be local, but some devices are having a crypto certificate and that one will be verified against a blockchain, which Google download from a server, but you could dow load it from a water number of servers beforehand and be totally local.
Unless it’s easy to find multiple models/brand that can integrate well, my first goal would be to get a good washing machine for the price and not whether how it integrates with HA.
But that’s my opinion.
That sort of implies that it can have cloud dependencies, too. I guess time will tell whether manufacturers go the cloud route or local, as more devices come to market.
My concern is that, from the manufacturer’s perspective, a cloud solution is much easier to support, and to use as a revenue stream. I don’t think HA users are their target demographic.
Well, you can choose to download the DLC blockchain or get it from one of the many servers that host it.
It is not vendor-locked.
The blockchain contains the keys to verify Matter certified products.
If all you ever need is to know when it’s done then sure.
But best solution, no. Not close.
It’s like saying you don’t need an alarm, a picture of a dog is the best solution.
There are so many sensors you get from a smart washing machine that your power monitor doesn’t.
And you (most likely) can’t turn the machine on remotely.
Admittedly there are a few sensors I would want them to enable so that they are accessible from the API but what you get is far from a standard power meeter setup.
I suppose we all have different requirements. For me, it would be enough to know when the washer is done. Knowing the power consumed would be handy, but not necessary. I can’t imagine using remote start very much. If I were gone for more than a day, I wouldn’t put clothes in the washer in the first place.
Frankly, I’m getting by just fine without a “done” reminder now. Back in my younger days it would have been real handy on the commercial machines at the laundromat. I’d put the clothes in, then go across the street to the pub to wait there. For some reason I didn’t always get back in time.
As a few posters upthread have said, the LG integration works fine; I have been using it for years at this point. But it is cloud-based, so not ideal.
And LG seems to change their terms and conditions of use routinely. When they do that, the API stops working until you use the smartphone app and agree to the updated terms. In the meantime, your washer/dryer will show as unavailable.
We fill up the machine in the morning, enable remote start and start it so that t’s done when we get home.
That way the machine has been going during the day when it’s cheapest to run it.
It’s not every day we do this but at least once a week.
@wixoff you are probably never going to see a local washing machine.
There is pretty much no market for that.
My washing machine is smart-ass. It thinks that all those 20 programs are designed perfect for my use. So I can’t choose my combination of time/temp/centrifuge/rinse cycles/half/full load etc.
If I want 60 degrees and max rpm centrifuge, there is only one program that has that and it is 1.5 hours fixed. Shorter programs don’t let me adjust centrifuge to max…
If you know a smart washer, that I can completely design my own programs, I’m in!
The images above are the options for a cotton program.
The image with blood and grease and such are additional programs.
Not sure how that works, have never used it.
Can you adjust everything in the program? I mean without limits. Then I’m interested.
I would prefer that there’s custom program mode to build programs and save them for next use.
Now that makes sense to me! Our utility doesn’t do time-of-use rates, but if they did I’d be wanting the remote start feature, too.
That’s my biggest complaint with the newer washers. They’re too “smart” but at the same time the programs are very poorly (stupidly?) designed.
Wow. That is an improvement. I wish I could re-program the whole thing so it doesn’t do stupid things like try to pump out water that’s not there, and lock me out while it does so.
Not sure exactly what you mean but all the above can be changed.
I can’t make it do the rinse part first if that is what you are talking about.
[Edit] actually I can. It’s called prewash and is an option. [/Edit]
It still has its base.
There is one program called “memory1”, not sure what that does but I can’t select it.
It weighs the load we put in and dispenses detergent according to the load size.
If we only have half load then it will still take the same time, but we can use the speed button and it will be about half the time.
Speaking of this…
That is my favorite feature.
It has a pause button, might not sound like much but it unlocks the door also.
This means if you start the machine and then you realize you forgot something you can just pause and open the door.
You can do this anytime during the program, although it doesn’t make much sense after 30-60 min.
You don’t really want to throw in dirty clothes when it has gone that far.
memory1”, not sure what that does but I can’t select it.