WTH can't I delete scene entities I deleted from scenes a year ago?

dunxd · October 22, 2022, 8:57pm

I deleted all my scenes over a year ago when I moved house. However, these are still listed as entities from the Home Assistant Core Integration. If I select them, then click Remove I get the following message:

Only 0 selected entities can be removed.
You can only remove 0 of the selected 1 entities. Entities can only be removed when the integration is no longer providing the entities. Sometimes you have to restart Home Assistant before you can remove the entities of a removed integration. Are you sure you want to remove the removable entities?

Obviously I have not, nor plan to, remove the Home Assistant Core integration.

How do I tidy these up properly?

petro · October 22, 2022, 9:16pm

There is no “core” integration. There’s a scene integration. That’s what creates scenes. If you can’t delete an entity after restart, the entity is probably coming from yaml.

dunxd · October 23, 2022, 11:45am

Well, in the integration column, it says Home Assistant Core Integration - that isn’t something I just made up.

My scenes.yaml file is empty. configuration.yaml points to this file for scene:

I only ever used the UI to define scenes anyway.

petro · October 23, 2022, 11:57am

Go to the scene editor then. What does it show there?

TheFes · October 23, 2022, 11:58am

If you click on it from that screen, and then go to the settings tab, is there a DELETE button at the bottom then?

dunxd · October 23, 2022, 12:00pm

There is, but not a clickable one - it is greyed out.

That is the case whether the scene is disabled or enabled.

TheFes · October 23, 2022, 12:03pm

And what about the question @petro asked? Is it listed there?

dunxd · October 23, 2022, 12:06pm

By scene editor I assume you mean settings > Automations & Scenes > Scenes tab.

There are no scenes listed in there.

petro · October 23, 2022, 12:17pm

Ok, then something is creating the entity outside the scene integration. Just disable it. Expand advanced on the settings tab where you tried to delete it and click disable.

dunxd · October 23, 2022, 1:36pm

Yeah - I did that. Was just looking to see if anyone had any ideas why these entities are hanging around. WTH.

Edwin_D · October 23, 2022, 2:02pm

Have you got scenes defined in Hue or Deconz? These show up as undeletable scenes as well.

dunxd · October 23, 2022, 2:05pm

I managed to get the delete button to work on those entities as follows:

Comment out scene: line in configuration.yaml
Enable all the scene entities that can’t be deleted - this didn’t work if I left them disabled.
Restart Home Assistant from Developer Tools > YAML page
After restart the scene.* entities are marked as recovered - and the Delete button is now enabled. I used it.
Remove comment mark from scene: line in configuration.yaml
Restart HA again.

Fixed.

dunxd · October 23, 2022, 2:19pm

I don’t use Hue or Deconz. I was running zigbee2mqtt when I set up those scenes a while back. All the scenes applied to zigbee lights. Since then I switched to ZHA. I removed zigbee2mqtt and Mosquitto a year ago.

Note that I had some issues with HA after the above process - I had to do a full reboot of the host via CLI before I could get back into various areas of the settings.

disparatic · January 6, 2023, 6:58pm

I have two scenes call “TV Time” > one is the actual scene as defined in scnes.yaml but the other ("TV_time_2) says that it can’t be edited (seemingly deleted either) unless defined under scenes.yaml. IDK how to do that. Any help would be appreciated.

TV_Time_2 is not under scenes.yaml to further define.

disparatic · January 13, 2023, 5:55pm

Could you define what you mean by “comment out scene: line in configuration.yaml”?

dunxd · January 15, 2023, 12:11am

In configuration.yaml put # at the start of the line starting scene

# scene: ...

When restarting HA this disables the scene integration, and allows deleting the entities.

This assumes you are linking to a scenes.yaml file from configuration.yaml, so you only need to comment a single line.

disparatic · January 15, 2023, 2:13pm

I’m afraid that didn’t work or I didn’t do it correctly.

petro · January 15, 2023, 2:22pm

did you restart? This requires a full restart of HA

disparatic · January 15, 2023, 3:25pm

Yes. I checked the code under developer tools, & restarted. I even restarted a second time after reading your reply & no go. I have that scene & 4 devices that I just can’t figure out how to delete.

petro · January 15, 2023, 3:38pm

Well looki ng at your screenshot, you’re showing a light that you’re trying to delete. Not a scene. If you’re trying to delete a device and the device is auto-discovered, you have to disable it, not delete it. You can’t delete a device that’s auto discovered because it will just be discovered again.