🔥 Advanced Heating Control

[BishKopt]

I don’t believe so… It’s the value from the standard thermostat entity that’s showing in the dashboard…

[vajdum]

@panhans

If I turn them off in the living room heating turns off.
It’s for dynamic heating. I am not in bed at the same time day by day.

Normally i turn the radiators off some time before i leave the room, it oftenstays warm more the1-2h, same as with preheating.

@panhans

But this is something your valve and boiler should do.

This may be the case if you have a boiler thermostat with external temperature. In my case i turning a button to change flow temp.
But even then, my boiler do not know when my radiator will be put to comfort temperature.

[stephanschleichstr13]

Okay, in my case These only shows in combi with better Thermostat

[k-dani]

@BishKopt

In other words - how can I have a thermostat card to see and control the temperature in a room with multiple thermostats that are controlled with AHC? Would that be possible with some custom sensor templates?

It’s not “nice and pretty” because i’m just experimenting with this at the moment.

vertical stack with
thermostat,
external temperature | humidity,
min temperature,
comf temperature,
“party timer” (manual temperature is active for 1 hour then back to static comf temp)
window status | time schedule

[panhans]

@vajdum

Normally i turn the radiators off some time before i leave the room, it oftenstays warm more the1-2h, same as with preheating.

Thats way too predictive. Then you only can go with a simple timebased scheduler. But I think this is the sweet point of comfort and efficiency at least for me.

@vajdum

This may be the case if you have a boiler thermostat with external temperature. In my case i turning a button to change flow temp.
But even then, my boiler do not know when my radiator will be put to comfort temperature.

Yes, true. Operates like mine. The boiler only heats up if there is a specific difference between flow and inlet temperature. Boilers have an internal valve. If no flow is in the water pipes it opens an internal circle and the temperature difference only increase slowly.

I don’t get what you exactly expect with a fully manual boiler and an automated system.

//EDIT: You also can add a custom action an evaluate the is_heating variable in order to turn on your boiler. But if you want to control your flow temperature by an esp or something like this… I think thats a little bit too special.

[BishKopt]

@panhans is this situation (as in the screenshot above), where one of the heaters stopped, even when the room temperature (21.2) has not yet reached the comfort temp (23) is expected? Shouldn’t it keep hearing?

[vajdum]

The boiler keeps defined flow temperature (knob, 1-6).
I have a HA switch, so i can “call for heat”.
I have a schedule for heating times for TRVs (currently using schedy).
i have heavy temp. differences depending on sun/no sun.

@panhans

I don’t get what you exactly expect with a fully manual boiler and an automated system.

In first line i was curious about all this presence heating
The time needed to heat up a room is not always the same and i have no idea how i could automate this. Need some AI for it

[panhans]

At least if you’re not home you can use proximity for preheating. If you’re smart you can also build a template based presence sensor and use your sleep data or programmed alarm in the morning.

[panhans]

No, its not. This blueprint wont stop your thermostats. It just sets temperatures and toggles between mode heat and off if e.g. your window is open. That issue must be related to your integration or the performance of your thermostat.

[panhans]

New Advanced Heating Control v4^beta is live

Hey people,

I recently replaced the common v4 version with the refactored one since everything runs pretty stable to me. So now it’s - let’s say - in beta stage v2.
Furthermore I’ve added the Heating Schedule Adjustments aka Comfort Heating Plan. It survives reboots, reloads and doesn’t overwrite the adjustments you’ve made.
Atm you can adjust the comfort temperature and turn on/off calibration. You have to set this up with timestamps and weekdays (optional). Some more filters and adjustment possibilities are planed.

Happy testing and let me know if anything doesn’t work as expected. I want to release this version as final if everything runs well for you.

[mukrop (Martin Ukrop)]

Oh god, this thread is running so fast :D.

Reportingmore details on my issued with Danfoss Ally.

1. Seeing your logic – now I see my interpration of the events was wrong. You’re indeed not setting anything periodically. The thing is that Danfoss uses the -8000 (“-80.00°C”) as an undefined/unused value. So if the temperature does not get update by automation in due interval (180/30 minutes), e.g due to differences smaller than the delta, the TRV turns the feature off setting the externally set temperature to -8000. Then, the automation sees the difference larger than delta and sets it back in a few minutes.
   When I set the delta to 0, the situation practically resolves (unless the precise temperature would hold for 180/30 minutes, which could borderline happen… but well good enough now).
   The TRV documentation is almost fully available at ZigBee2MQTT, specifically here. Note the info on the need to be setting things periodically.

2. However, I still have the problem that only one of the two TRVs has the temperature set by the automation at all. I’ve reliably tested that it’s always the second of the two listed in the automation configuration.
   Any idea what may be wrong there? Can I help you with any debug trace?

[allard77 (Allard K)]

@panhans

Maybe there is an exisisting implementation out there?!

Look for the posts by le_top here Danfoss Ally TRV working with remote temp sensor - #160 by le_top for a lot of info

[stephanschleichstr13]

I will test these the next days again and give feedback. a special Service for the temp is not necessary

One question: can you set the hvac mode as a pulldown (currently he goes directly to mode “heat”), when this is manuell settable i can use your blueprint as air conditioner “heat/cool/dry” too, this would be great.

[panhans]

@mukrop @allard77 Thank you for the information.

I just did an update for v4. Popp / Hive / Danfoss calibration gets triggered every 30 minutes (Maybe we make this adjustable) and when automation gets reloaded or after a home assistant restart.

I think traces wouldn’t help in some situations no more because I move much logic to jinja code. But it’s also easier for me to debug.

I just saw that I did a mistake in calibration logic for Danfoss/Popp/Hive. Just pull the new version and give it another try.

If it also won’t work for you I will provide some jinja code that can be pasted into the template editor.

Thanks!

[tirol3]

my temp config is not working . i used beta version it was working.
time is now 11:16 temp is now 23

[panhans]

Sorry for that inconvenience.

1. All values need to be in quotation marks
2. atm the day filter just allows one weekday (will expand this soon)

e.g.

- time: "18:00"
  day: "Sun"
  temp: "21"

//EDIT: also fixed the example in the description. Sry again

[tirol3]

can we use like this ?

• time: “07:00”
  temp: “23”
• time: “09:00”
  temp: “21”
• time: “17:00”
  temp: “22”
• time: “18:00”
  temp: “23”
• time: “00:00”
  temp: “15”

[tirol3]

you can use for this scheulder for temp planing. exampler

morning sch. : 23
day sch : 21
evening sch : 23
night sch : 15

[panhans]

@tirol3

• time: “07:00”
  temp: “23”
• time: “09:00”
  temp: “21”
• time: “17:00”
  temp: “22”
• time: “18:00”
  temp: “23”
• time: “00:00”
  temp: “15”

Yes, but I also want to differ between minimum and comfort temp in future.

@tirol3

morning sch. : 23
day sch : 21
evening sch : 23
night sch : 15

Yes, a filter for scheduler is also planed.

I am not that fast and just want to provide a first stable implementation to build on.

[tirol3]

thanks we are waiting, using and testing.