RPI is a great solutions… my suggestion for you is to make it bootable from SSD which will make it run much2 faster. Futhermore try running docker hass.core and you should have more flexibility in terms installing more2 addon available out there… I know some dont support armhf at the moment but most do have.
I installed 3 distinct installations of Home-Assistant using Supervised, as it was the easiest and fastest setup ever. Installed at home, at my father’s place and just this weekend at the cottage. I even sent over the script to a buddy of mine to install it today, since I couldn’t find it on the website anymore.
G.
STATISTICAL PROBLEM WITH POLL: SELF-SELECTION BIAS HIGHLY LIKELY PRESENT
(THEREFORE NOT A RANDOM REPRESENTATIVE SAMPLE OF HA USER POPULATION)**
This is a nice poll and I very much commend the effort put into it.
There’s only one issue:
Statistically speaking, polls and other survey data are unfortunately often susceptible to many sorts biases, and [u]this poll and any other like it in particular is highly likely to be susceptible to ‘self-selection bias’.
Given the emotionally charged environment surrounding the possible (re-)depreciation of the Supervised Install while this likely to get me growled at, and while it would be self-serving for me to Not point this out (as my hopes are for continued support of the Supervised Install method),
out of respect for all the hard work being done by the core HA developers, it must be stated, that probabilistically speaking, users in the HA Supervised are over-represented here
( Should you happen to not be familiar, the Wikipedia entry is a decent description:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-selection_bias )
Should the decision be made to no longer support the Supervised Install due to a lack of support from developers in the community and that it has become simply unsustainable, it would be unfair and statistically without merit for anyone to point to the results of this poll and claim that the users’ wishes are being ignored.
E.g. For one thing, users such as myself are much more concerned about losing the Supervised (formerly generic/alternative Linux install) installation method are much more likely to be heavily present on this site in order keep up with news and give opinions, etc., than the proportion users Who do not care about this install method so much because they don’t use it and are not feeling affected by that potential deprecation as much)…see non-response bias
(This bias can be slightly mitigated by turning off the Poll Closing expiration timer/countdown…)
I think the efforts are great and I really the involvement in our community, please know that.
And of course I have my own preferences and biases towards keeping this method (or one like it)
But if we’re going to talk about data evidence-based statistical inference/logic then unfortunately raw & unadjusted survey data will simply add to the problem.
Don’t believe me? Fine. Before anyone is tempted to shout, please first ask another statistician for a second opinion.
2 Likes
Well Duh!!!
1 Like
Yeah. And it’s not acknowledged whatsoever here
While I don’t disagree that this is not a purely scientific poll that will be submitted for peer review and therefore isn’t a perfectly “exact” representation I think it at least gives some indication of where the users who visit the forum and are representative of the “passionate base” of HA are and which install method is being used by those users.
So that said at least I gave it a try. Which is more than the devs have done anywhere that I have seen.
Out of all you just said that is the part I disagree with the most.
So, based on the efforts the devs have put into gathering this information what would you prefer they base their decision on, a S.W.A.G. (Silly Wild-A$$ Guess)?
Of course it’s not definitive but even a small amount of info is better than none.
With all due respect, the poll’s result says all that. 300+ votes is a fraction of a percent of the total registered users on this forum (> 60K). It’s statistically insignificant.
The poll also suggests there are more installations of the Supervised version than the next top two types combined. That’s implausible.
What the poll does show is that there are more than just a handful of people using the Supervised version and they care enough to come forward and vote.
More data will be collected by the enhanced updater component (version 0.110) that will also report the installation type.
Sample size alone is not what makes something statistically significant or not
Actually it’s highly plausible. It happens a lot. Go to any university and ask a statistics professor
Of course. But The poll has to not just be on the website for a week or two for starters
You’re defending the indefensible. Less than 1/2 percent of the community responded and you’re defending that paltry sample size as being statistically significant. It’s not.
Well my total guess was 40% just from hanging around the forum for a few years so it’s not that implausible IMO.
3 Likes
Yeah, I’m not convinced that’s the case. There are A LOT of threads here everyday saying that people are running the Supervised install.
Exactly…
1 Like
Lol man Where did I say anywhere that no one is using The supervised install?
Where did I claim that the number of users that make up the population of the supervised install is an insignificant number ? Where did I say that they don’t make up the majority for that matter? Where did I make any conclusions about The proportion of users that use the supervised install?
Calm down guys you’re blinding yourselves with emotion.
Goodnight
I’m not disagreeing that self-selection bias is a factor (it is) but that there are other things that also undermine the credibility of the results.
Here’s another thing to consider, Nabu Casa may have underestimated the number of Supervised installations but it’s unlikely they missed the mark by what the poll is suggesting, namely Supervised is nearly three times more prevalent than the next installation type.
Where did I say that you said any of that? Are you sure that you were replying to me?
No one said it was a scientific poll. It can’t be. It’s just a rough indication. I don’t think anyone is reading more into it than that.
Again I’m not sure how anyone can justify that statement.
Before now there has literally been zero data at all that I know of or that we have been made aware of on which to base any decision.
They (and we) have no idea which installs people are running.
My guess is Nabu Casa will postpone final judgment on the Supervised version until they collect enough data with enhanced updater in 0.110.
So if users of the Supervised version want their “votes” to be really counted, don’t disable the updater component.
1 Like