Mitsubishi AirCon

oobyx · September 2, 2023, 2:03pm

Hi there,

does this work with das MAC-587IF-E (Wifi Adapter) and MSZ-HR35VF (AirCon)?

codowd · October 23, 2023, 9:42pm

Hi,

We have been recommended the MSZ-EF for its air filtering capability and am wondering if anyone can tell what Wifi unit the MSZ-EF-VGK unit comes with? I see some Australian recent responses still talking about the 5681 unit so that’s good, and the 5781 also works with ECHONETLite, I understand. However Mitsubishi NZ talks about the MAC-588IF-E. Anyone know if this works? Guess I might just have to find a knowledgable installer…

dewwy · December 9, 2023, 9:42am

Hi all, realise this is an old thread but it has some traction for debugging/updates etc so thought I’d post here.

Secondly, thanks for everyone for the echonet add in, love having my mitsubishi units connected.

So, the currently problem/situation? I am facing is I am trying to display on a dashboard all the main power consuming devices, and their current (and historical) power (watts) usage. So using the “cumulative power consumption” which measures the total watt hours the unit has used, I tried to calculate watts using the derivative integration (Derivative - Home Assistant) which works fine when the unit is on.

The issue comes when the unit is off, it keeps the last value as the current value.

upon investigation, it appears this is because the cumulative power consumption value is only updating every 100w, and as its not on and not adding to the cumulative value, there is no new data point to read, and then therefore calculate the derivative on.

So, the ask.
Does anyone know how to either read the power usage in Watts for the machine? or alternatively, update the cumulative value to read more frequently than every 100w? OR third option which is a bit of a hack but would work, read the cumulative value every x seconds and store it in a different entity.

I am relatively new to home assistant so not sure what of the above is possible, but I do know I don’t know how to do it (yet) so any help will be appreciated.

Iceman · January 27, 2024, 1:52am

Is anyone able to please report what functions you have via this adapter? eg do you only get the basic 'on/off, heat/cool, temp up down, louver horizonal and vertical swing" or can you actually control specific vane positions like on the remote?

Thanks!

sidplayos2 · January 29, 2024, 2:13am

I would also be interested if the MAC-588IF-E would be supported by scotty’s echonet integration. My installer is putting forward the 588 rather than the 568 as he doesn’t have any units in stock(guess it’s the newer version replacing the 568?)

Looking at this Mitsubishi link it seems to be Echonet Lite compliant:

And this manual mentions both the 568/588 in the same document:

Most people refer to the 568, but wondering has anyone actually tried the 588?

Iceman · February 20, 2024, 12:17am

For anyone interested. I was supplied a MAC-588IF-E, echonet was able to be enabled. The native mitsubishi app does not support explicit horizontal vane positioning but the wifi controller and protocol seem to make it available with a strange naming convention under the function ‘airflowdirectionhorotonzal’

mechkbfan · March 4, 2024, 10:42am

It works. I just got a new ducted install a few days ago and finally got it setup today.
I haven’t played around with it but I can see there’s temperature + fan adjustment.
Like previous posts, I can see there’s no zone control which was disappointing.

Mitsubishi documentation was annoying because one page said only 568 was supported, so I ordered one online, only to find out 588 does work

Unfortunately I forgot my operating system had a firewall on it, so once unblocked 3610 it all worked.

I’ve created a PR for @scotty to merge to help the next person.

I’m also going to investigate how to get zones working

Had a skim of EchoNet spec sheets, and used a translator to English

Properties (0x013001) had the most interesting values like air volume, temperature and wind direction, but unfortunately no zone. So the property map seems likely where it is, which I’ve read elsewhere

openhab seems to map all those but can’t see zones/property group

github.com

openhab/openhab-addons/blob/fdb2bba7a608f62d0dd1f982ceea79ca7eb4bebf/bundles/org.openhab.binding.echonetlite/README.md

# EchonetLite Binding

This binding supports devices that make use of the [Echonet Lite specification](https://echonet.jp/spec_v113_lite_en/).

## Supported Things

- Mitsubishi Electric MAC-568IF-E Wi-Fi interface (common on most Mitsubishi Heat Pumps).

## Discovery

Discovery is supported using UDP Multicast.
When running over Wi-Fi it is advisable to run openHAB on the same network as the Echonet Lite devices.
Multicast traffic doesn't easily route over multiple networks and will often be dropped.
Discovery is handled via the Echonet Lite bridge, which contains the configuration of the multicast address used for discovery and asynchronous device notifications along with the port.
It is unlikely that this configuration will require changing.

## Bridge Configuration

The bridge configuration defaults should be applicable in most scenarios.
If device discovery is not working, this is most likely caused by the inability to receive multicast traffic from the device nodes.

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There’s some discussion here with some python code

Another idea is to use Wireshark to listen to IP & port, then use the WiFi control app and see what it’s sending

mechkbfan · March 5, 2024, 10:29am

I appreciate the work done with EchoNet but I don’t think it’s going to support zones.

Anyway, I found two work arounds for those in the future

MelView HACS - GitHub - haggis663/ha-melview: HomeAssistant component for mitsubishi air conditioner (MelView)

I don’t know how I didn’t find this before but does exactly what I want

Google Assistant SDK

I noticed in their documentation they mentioned the WiFi control could integrate with Home Assistant

So I was able to integrate with Google Home to the air con zones via my phone. Was pretty seamless.
Theoretically I could then add room temperature sensors to Google Home, then rules to get my intended outcome, but I was hoping to stay in the HA ecosystem.

So I found the Google Assistant SDK

You should be able to use a service to go

service: google_assistant_sdk.send_text_command
data:
  command: "turn off dad zone"

However this didn’t work for me, and using the Developer Tools with Debug Tools enabled, all I got was “Unknown Error”. I spent an hour trying to see if others had the issue but couldn’t. Then after discovering MelView, I don’t have the motivation to work it out.

Hope this helps someone in future

techboy · March 5, 2024, 7:15pm

@mechkbfan Thanks for the feedback re:588 wifi control. I was wondering if new versions are supporting it. It seems like as long as its MAC-5x8IF-E series it should work.

I am in the process of selecting heat pump for our new build and recommendation from the builder is 8 zone ducted PEA-M200LA with additional Wifi upgrade for 420$.

I dont mind spending that for econetlite instead of making my own ESP32 version. Although I prefer to tinker it.
However I need zone control as its 8 zones and will be wasteful to keep them running unoccupied.

How well are the zone controls via Scottys Econetlite + MelView? Seems like Melview still needs MelCloud API access? Have you set that up? Was it needed?

Also they offered me Airtouch 5 control for extra $1.4k with individual zone sensors for $210 per zone.
This seems useless if HA will be controlling all, and Airtouch is not playing nicely with HA anyway.
Instead I might ask them to wire a standard wired wall mounted controller in case HA flips the belly and I can still have my manual control.

sidplayos2 · March 13, 2024, 1:48am

Thanks for the info, good to hear at least it works for basic functions.
Install date is scheduled this Friday 15/03 so looking forward to playing with it now.

Since mine is on an internal wall, they have to use a pump for the condensate, so will maybe put it in a spill tray and attach a zwave flood sensor to detect if it fails and at least shut off the unit. The pump they are supplying doesn’t seem to have a high level shutoff/alarm like others.

mechkbfan · March 13, 2024, 10:14am

Did you go with it? They cost like $220 online stores or eBay. It’s just a basic plug into your unit. Hold down a reset button. Enter the details of WiFi unit into app. If WiFi isn’t playing up, it’s a <15min job

Yes, MelView depends on cloud access. If clouds down, there’s the fallback to physical Mitsubishi wall controller with zone selection.

I’d have just used MelView however for some reason the AC Entity, I can’t read or update the mode via automation. It has temperature, fan speed, etc.

It’s weird because clicking on the entity itself, there’s a dropdown for mode. So it’s probably a minor code fix in scheme of things. I’d look into it myself if EchoNet wasn’t available.

So basically I control zones with MelView and control AC Mode with EchoNet.

For about $150 AUD worth of parts from AliExpress and $50 Sonoff Zigbee 3.0 USB Dongle Plus, I’m pretty confident in my setup eventually working with a high family friendly factor

Tuya temp&humidity sensors (I bought mixture of Zigbee and BLE for curiosity on battery life/reliability)
Tuya Gateway (don’t need this now if get Sonoff, but good for troubleshotting if issues)
Tuya 2 gang switches (left for aircon on, right for off)

Unfortunately the switches aren’t working with HA via Tuya Gateway. I get the device, but no entities or options. I’ve tried listening to events and looked at the device logs but there’s nothing.

Hence ordered the Sonoff Zigbee 3.0 USB Dongle Plus (not v2) and will setup Zigbee2MQTT, then reconnect the Tuya devices to it.

I’ve setup HA for each room to disable the temperature when it drops below a certain temp for whatever that person prefers.

Then if it gets too warm again, press the button again.

If all zones are off, then turn off the AC instead of sending it to spill zone.

I figured could automate cooling rooms if get too hot, but then it’s wasteful if no ones in room. Could add human detection now we’re getting more expensive and further complexities with stuff to manage.

Bit of a rant but maybe it helps you

And yes, I could a quote from MyAir to retrofit our place for $1000 + ~$300 control&temp sensor per zone. So $3k for 6 zones. Cheaper no doubt if part of initial install.

Hence pretty keen on just my method with basic switches that’ll be easier for grandparents and kids.

Edit: SkyConnect arrived before Sonoff and they worked out of the box with my Tuya switches.

techboy · March 25, 2024, 4:23am

Thanks for the reply, that makes sense and I would rather prefer to keep it simple.
Like the idea of Tuya switches, and should be able to be retrofitted for power on the place of single switches in the rooms.

They quoted for MAC-568IF-E, which is quite old model anyway, so I will just skip it and will get ESP32 or newer model later on if needed. Unless they end up fitting Airtouch5 anyway. Which then can be a good opportunity for wall mounted HA dashboard and tablet.

I haven’t got chance to look into zigbee or tuya yet as the house build hasn’t started yet. But surely this is the most urgent to decide as the builder is updating the variations and want to make sure what they fit is as much as possible compatible with HA. Builders have no idea of these and consider addon Google or Alexa voice control as only Home Automations.

decryption · March 30, 2024, 7:54am

Is it possible to use the Echonet controls via HA to ignore the wired thermostat’s reading and use one of my Zigbee temp sensors instead?

I recently had a Mitsubishi PEA-M180LAA indoor unit and PUZ-ZM180V/YKA outdoor unit installed and only got the manual zone controller for the 4 zones in my house, so looking to get the MAC-588IF-E dongle to try and smarten things up.

decryption · April 30, 2024, 7:41am

Just following up with info that the MAC-588IF-E wi-fi controller works perfectly in Home Assistant using the Echonet Lite HACS integration

However, I am struggling with regulating temps in various zones. For example, I want the temperature to be 20 degrees in the bedroom, but the HVAC’s temp sensor is in a different part of the house.

Is the only solution to set the HVAC temp at say, 28 degrees and then use a sensor in Home Assistant to measure the temp in the bedroom and create an automation to turn the AC on or off when the temperature in that room is within a certain range?

e.g: leave HVAC set to 28, sensor in bedroom is 17, turn heater on, then set an automation to turn it off when temp gets to 20.1 and back on again if temp goes below 18.5

There’s no damage done turning the HVAC unit on or off constantly?

techboy · May 10, 2024, 10:30am

My understanding (correct me if Im wrong ) is that the HVAC is turning on/off only zones, while main HVAC is running. For example if main sensor near the uniot detects that overall house temp needs to increase, it turns on the HVAC. Then each exhaust for each room has its valve. So basically valves open and close based on heat/cold needed to come in so it can reach the set temperature.

So HA or control unit is ideally only controlling the valves per room. If all rooms valves are closed and the aircon has excess heat/cold to deliver (i.e. before it reaches are target temp to be able to switch off) it turns on a spill zone. Spill zone is a common or most used area which aircon guy sets to be kinda always on or spill the excess heat/cold.

This doesn’t directly answer your question, as I am yet to have this aircon installed and set my HA to test. But hope it explains how central ducted aircon works.

I was looking at Airtouch panel and they have these room sensors which get installed near the lights switch on each room. They send data to airtouch of the current temp of each room. so It can reach and maintain that temperature. This function is an addon and I assume DIY option will be cheapy sensors and HA automation, if you happy to DIY