But do we really know this or just assumption? I don’t want to take it as a fact if it is just a rumor.
Know what? If HA developers are making changes in order get under the table kickbacks should Tuya decide to charge to use their developers platform? I guess anything is possible but I mean really, that would mean the whole project was fucked, backdooring revenue streams.
You’ve got something to back up these statements?
Because, as they stand, they look pretty slanderous.
?? That is what the op inferred, I rebuked it.
It doesn’t matter, it’s enough to think words like that out loud.
Usually if people are upset when you mention something is that it quite possibly is true.
It is quite free to think and it is merely a qualified assumption that Nabu Casa has understood that making this project commercial will make some earnings.
And what I have implied is that the path wich is taken is the beginning of this journey for Nabu Casa and Home assistant. I am not saying I am correct but I am also not saying that I am incorrect.
I base theese assumptions on the following.
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They have been trying to make the experience more user friendly with making things more accessible from the gui (gui is a disaster if you ask me but that is subjectivel
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First came the “Blue”, harmless maybe but then again other actors on the market were releasing a ready-to-go product. Well now the Amber is arriving, and why would the diy people even need this? They actually don’t and I believe it was never intended for people already running HA, it was developed with the hope to attract more users. More users buying that hardware is just one way of earning money.
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The Tuya cooperation. Do you believe that Tuya or Nabu Casa made this just for fun? Ofc there are some sort of contract involved.
The already existing Tuya integration then? Why not develop that further? What is the point of moving everything over to tuya iot and have people signing up for free trial accounts? And if you read closely, thoose trial accounts are valid for 12 months. Has there been a statement from Tuya or Nabu Casa that it will be free forever? I have not heard anything like that.
In my eyes it is a sales strategic move. Lure people in, have them buy more Tuya devices and when most things are comfortable enough in let say about 12-18 months it might not be a free trial account anymore.
Anyone noticed how they reacted when the question about making it possible to run local? Tuya did not seem very interested in that, and why would they. They are a company with growth and they want to make money.
And at last, there is nothing wrong with Nabu Casa walking down this path. Most things on earth is about money theese days and I get if Nabu Casa wants to earn some real money from this project, I would.
Very much indicates to what I am saying and it is quite naive to not even stop and think about it.
But then again I have felt a while back that the HA platform is slowly becoming worse, atleast from my point of view, making me starting to think about other ways to set up a smart home. So I am expressing disappointment.
There is nothing about accusing anyone for anything either and I don’t understand how someone would even think that. Nabu Casa are free to do as they like and I have the freedom to express my thoughts on it.
In the end I really hope I am wrong.
I am tired with all these discussion and dumped the old integration as a custom component into a GitHub repository.
Maybe those with Tuya products who feel like they have been disregarded with this new version should also make their displeasure known by dropping their Nabu Casa subscription.
There are many who subscribe just to support them, but at the moment they are not really supporting you.
Just a thought!
I don’t get this. I mean you people buy devices from a company that is basically a data collection agency for the Chinese government. They deal in data, the cheap devices everybody seems to love are just tools to enable them getting at your data. That’s their business model and modus operandi. Just like Googles, Facebooks, Amazons, only with the added extra spicy twist of totalitarian control behind the curtains. And then you wonder why they try to lure you into creating accounts, registering, etc, all that under the guise of an ‘official’ integration. Well duh.
If you don’t like all that, then why the heck do you buy these devices ? It’s not like there are tons of local alternatives that don’t want your data and make you jump through all these hoops to get it.
Now this whole cuddling up situation between HA/NC and Tuya is a whole different story of course.
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HeylmAlex, me personally ain’t that afraid of exposing my personal integrity. We are all being watched as long as we exist on the “grid” pretty much.
But it is a very good point indeed.
@anon63427907 thank you for the effort, I will switch to that. In HA while working on a different solution, cheers.
@aidbish ye, please give that some more thought. That is a totally different subject wich I will not discuss here. But I am clueless towards thoose who actually does what you are saying. Initial thought was OK I guess, but everything starts on a small scale. Give it some time to mature and we can discuss that matter somewhere else. And to be clear, I am merely expressing my disappointment as stated before. I think I have the right to do so. I am not looking for friends or supporters.
Okay. But then you have to accept the fact that with devices like these, you are the product. And you’ll have to deal with all the consequences that arise from this fact. Including, for example, deactivation of older and local APIs that do not fit into the data harvesting business model anymore. So what are you complaining about ? You chose to be the product and data generator for them.
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Home Assistant is product agnostic. It interacts with 1800 different devices and services and all integrations have access to the same Home Assistant API. There is no preferential treatment.
To get these devices and services integrated we rely on APIs to interact. These APIs are provided by companies. In the case of Tuya, they once had made an undocumented API and contributed this to Home Assistant. The person responsible for this unofficial API left Tuya and the integration maintenance has been taken over by a Home Assistant community member. However the API starts being less and less reliable (throttling when called too often).
In the meanwhile Tuya has created a new documented official API (they call it Open IoT platform). It integrates more devices than the old API and it is push based, meaning updates are near instant.
They want Home Assistant to migrate to this new API and shut down the old API so they create a new integration for this. The old API is going to be shut down, the new one is the future, so we obviously want this in Home Assistant.
Our collaboration with Tuya extends to the fact that we gave pointers on how to structure their integration, reviewed their PRs and helped make sure the documentation is great. We do this with every contributed integration. We also invited them to the release party because this is the first time that a company of their scale invested engineering resources to create a Home Assistant integration. We have invited other contributors in the past too. There is no contract with Tuya.
If certain devices are not supported or don’t work as expected, that’s a bug introduced by Tuya and as always, we’ll work with the code owner and the community on addressing those.
People saying that us working with companies on integrating their products is a bad thing do not understand the very nature of what we try to achieve with Home Assistant. Home Assistant’s goal is to be the platform for your home that can include all devices and services. Your Home Assistant installation fetches your data from cloud platforms and local devices. It gets it all locally and goes from there to offer dashboards, automations etc.
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@balloob, thankyou for taking the time for responding, but as i have pointed out in numerous posts, why has it taken HA so long to respond?
Tuya support has been notably absent as well.
Being as there was such a fundamental change to the Tuya integration especially as the old one was removed, why was it rushed into this month when things like covers were missing, it was also Chinese national holiday so tuya wouldn’t have respond anyway for the first day or so.
There is a PR for dimmers that now has to wait till next month that could have been included and not give people a bitter taste of the new integration
I understand time is of importance as the old one would be removed shortly, but would it not have been better to have waited at least 1 more month to resolve the issue of covers (has that been resolved yet and will be in next month?) as well as dimmers and have had people from HA/Tuya here/FB/reddit to assist, remember not all the HA community use discord or Github
I also think the communication could also have been better regarding the differences between the beta Tuya V2 and what would be included in the new Tuya integration as I believe most people presumed they were the same as supported everything the beta v2 did.
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Firstly, thank you for taking the time to respond. It is appreciated and helps understanding some of the thought process behind the decision.
I would like to address this particular line however. This is a shift in language, although only slight, it is still a shift. In your own words you state;
Your system should run at home, not in the cloud.
“The cloud is a magical thing. Somewhere in the world there are computers collecting the data that your house generates, testing them against your automation rules and sending commands back when needed. The cloud will receive updates and improve itself over time so it is able to serve you better. Until it’s not. There are many reasons why your home might lose its connection to the cloud. The internet can stop working, an update might have gone wrong or the servers running the cloud crash. When this happens, your house should be able to keep functioning.”
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“Open source home automation that puts local control and privacy first.”
This new Tuya integration is nether putting local control or privacy first. It seems celebrating a cloud only solution written by a company that knowingly collects user data is a good thing? It’s confusing.
This is from a blog post 5 months. Why was this stance not taken with Tuya? Was there no other options available to you? Frank very politely asked the question on the live stream about the possibility of local control, seemingly already knowing the answer was, No.
There were products they knew were not going to be supported OOTB, like covers. That’s not a bug. Why rush it out when not everything that the current integration supported was available. Again, this was discussed on the live stream, so it was known this was the case.
I guess it’s a little confusing when the messaging from the top is mixed - We want a local only system and it will hurt us in the short term to make this happen, but then, here’s a cloud only solution with no plan at all in place to add local control. 
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It looks like you’re missing the point of every single of my pieces that you quoted.
- Home Assistant still runs 100% local.
- Home Assistant still does not have an API to add entities and relies 100% on integrations.
- Tuya integration implements their own Open IoT Platform API.
- Home Assistant stores all data locally and will collect this data from both local and cloud based devices and services. See also my blog post from 2016 on the different ways we get the data.
You ask why we didn’t take a stand and block the new Tuya integration because it pulls data from the cloud.
We have never blocked any integration based on the fact that the API is cloud based. If the user ends up owning/using hardware that only has a cloud API, we take it. Always have. It’s up to our users, and always have been, to decide how much they want to rely on the cloud. We advice to not rely on it, but you don’t always have a choice as many people do not own their home and for example can’t pick what kind of thermostat is installed.
If we had taken a stand and blocked a new integration while the old one stops working, users end up with no Tuya integration. That’s unacceptable.
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I’m not missing the point, or misquoting at all. HA is about local control and having everything work locally, without internet. That’s what the masthead and vision states, or perhaps I misunderstand entirely.
I never suggested the new integration should be blocked, I asked what other options were available to you - i.e. to get it local instead of cloud, you have not addressed this.
Having no integration at all is bad, I agree, however as stated by the Tuya Dev on the live stream the shutdown of the old API is 6 months away, so why the rush to push this new one out with missing functionality and no plan for local control? Was there any discussion about waiting a few months and getting more functionality into the new API/Integration and starting the process of adding local control?
I understand that it’s a users own responsibility to choose their own products and that not all integrations can be 100% local, but this would have been the perfect opportunity to work with a large manufacturer to make a large variety of current and new to market products locally controllable.
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Yes, we pushed back on the lack of local. And on the silly cloud dev account thing.
At the time that we cut the beta, Tuya’s plan was to shut down the old API in December. All platforms of the new integration were in except for covers. Tuya decided to hold covers back a release. We decided to go ahead because it would mean users had just 2 releases to upgrade.
In the stream they said 6 months 
That would have obviously influenced things, but that’s too late now.
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Thanks for the extra info, it’s appreciated. It helps to understand how these things come about with the added information. Thanks for the taking the time 
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See, if there was more of this information from yourselves to the community in the forums etc on day 1 or even 2 then a lot of this flak could have been averted.
I do hope you are pushing them to maintain their integration otherwise if it goes stale it will be HA rep that’s tarnished
the matter is the actual new Tuya integration is missing a lot compare to the previous one.
I had to go back to 2021.09.X because I missed all power monitor from my smartplugs.
My automations are based on power monitor, so what should I have to do?
revert back to previous HA version
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buy alternative smartplugs not TUYA
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That’s unfortunate. When Tuya added the platforms we didn’t realize they would drop certain features. They will probably be added in the next few releases.
The old integration is also available as a custom component installable via HACS. That will continue to work until the API is shut down.